PRO-CON: Views differ, but all want Obamacare fiasco to remain front and center

November 3, 2013


By Nancy Thorner and Ed Ingold – 

As conservative Republicans living in the same village who believe in the tenants of The Heritage Foundation, we rarely find our opinions to be at odds with one another, but we did recently over the efforts by Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee to defund Obamacare as part of the Continuing Resolution.

After sharing how each of us felt about the recent happening, which is still generating bad feelings among the Republican apparatus and its conservative base, we decided there was no way we could collaborate our thoughts into a unifying force for presentation.

As such, it was deemed feasible by Ed Ingold and Nancy Thorner to set out their thoughts as separate entities, with Ingold taking the “con” side and Thorner the “pro” side over how the efforts of Cruz and Lee were perceived in defunding Obamacare.

As the story is still ongoing at this point, and it promises to have legs that will extend into the future, whether or not the so-called Tea Party efforts was right or wrong can not be determined at this point.  But one thing is certain, the Republican Party must stand firm and united against the scourge that is Obamacare.

Con Side: Ed Ingold

Ed Ingold’s thoughts have been reinforced through observed happenings in the wake of the disastrous Obamacare roll-out of September 1st, such as expressed in this article.

Instead of a futile and self-destructive attempt to defund Obamacare, we should have let it collapse under its own weight. Even the main stream media have caught on to the lies behind the “Affordable” Health Care Act. In the end, at least 60% of the country will lose their current health care, and premiums will double (or more) for most. Those signing on to Obamacare will consist mainly of those who could not get or afford health insurance.

Unless young, healthy people sign on to the plan, premium costs will explode, and Obamacare will bankrupt the country. Unfortunately the people needed to pay for the unfunded mandates can’t find well paying jobs, and are likely to pay the fine rather than buy insurance they can’t afford. Obama’s plan to achieve “fairness” is to crush the many rather than elevate the few.

It is incumbent on Republicans to make sure the true situation is kept in the public’s eye. Just as important, they must agree on solutions to the problems of health care cost and availability, not just bash the Democrats. The 2014 elections are paramount. Success in restoring the “health” of the economy hinges on Republicans gaining control of the Senate, and certainly not losing the House.

Possible solutions include …

  • Establish a high risk pool to accommodate those with chronic diseases and pre-existing conditions. Eliminate these unfunded mandates for everyone else.
  • Encourage high deductible policies, along with an expansion of pre-tax health care accounts. Increase the amount which can be set aside, and allow them to accumulate from year to year if not used.
  • Eliminate the “Cadillac” tax on private policies and health care benefits. As it stands, the rate increases will drive all existing plans into this category, with a 40% tax.
  • Raise or eliminate the threshold for the number of employees making health benefits mandatory. At the current 50, we will see a Francification* of small businesses, which will cease to grow in order to stay under the threshold.
  • Restore the definition of full-time employment to 40 hours or more.
  • Stop counting temporary employees against the threshold. If benefits are due, they should come from the agency supplying the temporary employees.
  •  Eliminate the proposed cuts in payments to hospitals and doctors from Medicare. Take back the $700B stolen from Medicare to fund Obamacare. Artificial attempts to control costs will severely reduce availability.
  • Allow consumers to shop across state lines for insurance (omitted from Obamacare to appease big-government states like New York and California).
  • Make the cost of services and procedures available to consumers up front. Let them shop for value, and manage their health care dollars.
  • Encourage pre-paid services, such as so-called “concierge” medical practices.
  • Labor unions, members of Congress and the Executive branch should be subjected to the same taxes and regulations as the rest of the country.

*France imposes a heavy burden of mandated benefits on companies with 50 or more employees. As a result, companies rarely grow above that size.

Pro Side: Nancy Thorner

Many Republicans, including conservative Republicans, continue to believe that so-called Tea Partyites made a strategic miscalculation by focusing on the shutdown which limited the attention that could be given to the miserable failure of the Obamacare website roll out on Oct. 1.  Opposition was voiced even by Conservative Columnist, Charles Krauthammer, that because conservatives lacked the tactics necessary to win, an effort had to be made to work with the other side.  But where does working with the other side lead Republicans when the other side is united and not willing to bend?

Principles and convictions don’t seem to count any more in a nation where most politicians seem to exist for the express purpose of saving their own skins?   After all, Ted Cruz and Mike Lee did campaign on getting rid of Obamacare, they went to Washington, D.C. to do just that, but instead were vilified for doing so.

If truth be told, Cruz and Lee didn’t make a strategic miscalculation.  They succeeded in educating the public which is now beginning to understand (even Democrats) why conservative were willing to fight against all odds to defund Obamacare.  The disastrous rolls out of website has confirmed what the Teapartyites were proclaiming all along, that Obamacare, with big government attempting to control one-sixth of our economy, is unworkable and unaffordable.

For those who were involved in the healthcare debate even before Obamacare was passed on a strictly Democratic vote, not unexpectedly is that the biggest promise made to the American people by President Obama has been broken  —  “If you like your doctor and your plan, you can keep both”.  

Health plans are sending hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters to people who buy their own coverage, mainly because the insurance they purchased fell short of what the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) now mandates starting Jan. 1, 2014.  According to an article published at Illinois Review on Tuesday, October 29, That’s the situation facing nearly 1.5 million Americans right now under Obamacare, although that’s far from a final tally.

Stay tuned as the story remains unfinished.  By election time most likely it won’t matter who was on the pro or the con side of an issue that now seems contentious, for the cry against Obamacare will override all and will enable Republicans to be triumphant, but hopefully not arrogant, in: “I told you so!”

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